ليان انجلوا وتقول :

وقد تمكنت هذه المدينة للحصول على هذه اللائحة مرت لكنه لن يكون القسري من دون قتال. لدينا 60 يوما من تاريخ اقراره لجمع التواقيع. هناك أكثر من 20 شركات على متن ناهيك عن الكم الهائل من المتطوعين خارجا على "مشكلة" الشوارع مثل شارع وايت جمع توقيعات من الدراجين الذين يوافقون غير هذه اللائحة هو تمييزي. لدينا الكثير من الدعم.

وكانت هناك الناس الذين يقومون الاختبارات مع أنواع مختلفة من القراء ديسيبل والدراجات الأوراق المالية والفشل. أنا بخير ولكن تحت مشكلتي مع اللائحة هو أن جميع المركبات يجب أن يتم عقد لنفس المعايير. الشرطة ومجلس الامن مطالبة الأجهزة purcahsed (قبل تمرير القانون حتى فتذكروا) يمكن تسجيل بأعجوبة فقط ضجيج من دراجة نارية. ويجب أن يكون واحدا من الجحيم جهاز بالنظر إلى أن هناك نغمات مختلفة لدراجات مختلفة.

أنا 100 ٪ وراء موقف أي شخص الحصول على التذاكر ونقله إلى المحكمة. هذه المعركة في الشوارع مع الالتماس هو من التوعية والتثقيف للجمهور كما هو عام الانتخابات ولكن لن يكون كسب المعركة الحقيقية في المحكمة.

داريل كوك يقول :

Lianne : هل لديك أية أفكار عن قلق سكان مع الضوضاء؟ ليس عندي شيء ضد الدراجات ، ولكن لماذا ينبغي أن أفقد النوم أو السلام ، لأن عددا كبيرا من الناس في اختيار لجعل مثل هذه الضوضاء pollution.Discriminatory؟ وأعتقد أن الطريقة التي تستخدم هذه الكلمة يتجاهل تماما حقيقة وجود مشكلة في المدينة مع أنابيب بصوت عال. كنت في وسط المدينة فورت ماك ليلة أخرى وبعض الفائز مع فتاته على ظهره وضرب وخنق وعدم القيام بأي شيء ولكن "الرياء". أنبوب مستقيم تماما ، وهو مضرب hellacious. جميع الحق في الجبهة من الشقق كثافة مرحبا. أرى أن هذا الكثير. عندما ارى السائقون تحمل بعض المسؤولية عن هذه المسألة ، وأنا قد يشعر على نحو أفضل. يرجى النظر في جميع الزوايا.

كيفن لينون يقول :

كما أننا بحاجة إلى مزيد من الناس مثل انجلوا ليان لاتخاذ موقف والكفاح من أجل ما هو حق.
حقوق؟ ويبدو لي المقيمين في ادمونتون لم يكن لديك الكثير من اليسار ، ومتحمس دراجة نارية لا أعتقد أن مجرد أنابيب بصوت عال حفظ الحياة وأنا أعلم أنها المظالم. ولكن من دون يحير أنابيب أو يحير أن يتم حفر / كمات من ليست ضرورية ، وهذه هي سهلة للكشف وفحص ببساطة نظام العادم. (قد ربحية السهم لدينا الحاجة إلى الانحناء وتقييم العادم) وكان هناك حاجة لمعدات اختبار الصوت ان المدينة تم شراؤها مع أكثر نعم الضرائب دولار تهدر ، 17000،00 $ بالإضافة إلى الأجور / ساعات لا تحصى / اجتماعات لدينا غرامة أعضاء مجلس المدينة في المستقبل حتى مع هذه المسألة تميز مثل واحد في متناول اليد.
اقتبس "على الرغم من أن عملية التنمية بدأت ، سيكون من بعض الوقت قبل أن التشريعات المحلية الجديدة التي أعلنها وإنفاذ خرجت. ونتيجة لذلك ، وضعت خطة طوارئ اللائحة لملء الفراغ. <- كم أموال الضرائب وقد اهدر أنا واحد يود أن يعرف بالضبط ساعة للاجتماع ، وسجلت ساعات لمكتب التنمية وهناك قسم واحد لهذا القانون؟؟

As for the childish comment: MID AGE MEN or JUST NEED TO GROW UP. bla bla.
Unfortunately most are middle-aged riders since it takes half ones life to afford one. For most it's a hobby/way of life or what ever you need to call it, for me it's a way to unwind, relax and visit with other bike enthusiasts. NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE THAT AWAY… I FOR ONE WILL FIGHT THE TICKET IN COURT AND YES I WILL WIN EVERY TIME. There is a thing we call human rights and discrimination. There is also way to many variables to determine decibel readings…environment officer testing has he done the test absolutely flawless or maybe some EPS officer handling the decibel reader has dropped it and now this expensive electrical devise no longer has correct readings, weather conditions. I could continue and continue but I feel no need. The courts will see this has been a complete waste of time and money. I see the court house will be very busy in the days to come and if you fight it you will win no doubt about it…
I just can't wait to see what will be next
(Maybe a citywide curfew no person or person shall leave there dwelling between the hours of 11:00 PM and 6:00 AM) Keep fighting Liane Langlois; I'll have my many full petitions sheet in before the deadline.

gary barringer says:

Edward Hiscock, do you have a lawn mower? Its louder than most bike and its not passing by. Do you have a snow blower , its also much louder. How about a diesel truck ? How about city buses. How about city lawn mowers, service vehicles, parades, kids yelling on the street, planes flying overhead, snowmobiles, street work, jackhammers.

These are all every day things that do not pass by you, but are quite close to you and produce sounds over 10x as loud as a bike.

Now how about you get on a quiet motorcycle, and see what its like to be run down by a driver that doesn't check his/her mirrors, or is texting or cell phone talking. If you hear us , you may not kill us.

I don't agree with people driving like idiots and over reving.

But if we are to give up out rights , get out your scissors and start cutting your grass. YOU SHOULD TO!

Darryl Cooke says:

Gary:
Pardon my blunt approach, no slam is meant, just discussion.
I am not buying your argument. All of the things you mention eg lawn mowers et al are understood.
But a straight pipe (or a dodge diesel with “blast-em Dan-O” pipes) are not. Put a lawn mover next to a straight pipe bike or the Dodge and they will blow the mower away.
Many motocyclists operate quiet pipes and manage to do so safely.
And as for giving up your “right” to loud pipes, you don't have it to give up anyway.
Why is it so difficult to get this simple message of being considerate to others across to so many?
I am careful to give bikes room and awareness just as I do a car or truck.

روب ايفانز وتقول :

مرحبا جميع ،
هل أي من الناس الذين هم ضد أنابيب بصوت عال حتى ركوب فعلا؟ ربما ينبغي أن توضع على الدراجة في حركة المرور ساعة الذروة مع أنابيب هادئة وانظر كم من الوقت يلزم قبل أن تكون ملقاة على الرصيف. أقول لكم كل ما لديها الحق في السلام والهدوء...... لماذا حقك في السلام والهدوء تفوق حقي في العيش؟ في رأيي ، إذا كنت في تقرير المصير استيعابها مع شرب القهوة الخاص بك ، ويضع على ماكياج الخاص ، والقيام شعرك ، وحلق ، والتحدث على الهاتف الخليوي الخاص (الذي أنا غير قادر على التحدث عن ادمونتون ، ولكن هنا في كورونا هو غير قانوني) ، ولعب مع الخاص نظام تحديد المواقع ، وعدد لا يحصى من الانحرافات الأخرى أثناء القيادة حتى إشعار لأنك جنحت إلى ممر بلادي ودفعني الى قدوم حركة المرور لتجنب ترك الذي ضربني ، ولدي الحق في جعل الضوضاء واغضب منك! لأنه على الأقل إذا ايم التبول قبالة لكم مع أنابيب بلدي بصوت عال ، كما تعلمون هناك التراسل الفوري ، وأنا على الأقل فرصة لكسب القليل انتباهكم طويلة بما فيه الكفاية هذه الغاية حتى أنا لا أميل ملقاة على pavemnet. وقد أتيحت لي للذهاب إلى حد الوصول إلى نافذة السيارات وسحب الهاتف الخليوي من برامج التشغيل للحصول على وجه اهتمامه بينما كان ينجرف داخل وخارج الممر بلدي ، إذا كنت أستطيع الوصول إلى نافذة كنت في بلدي الفضاء !! أو أفضل بعد على سائق الحافلة الذي لم المدينة تسبب لي في نهاية المطاف إلى الانزلاق عبر الرصيف عندما قرر أن يذهب من متوقفة على جانب الطريق عبر 3 مسارب في حارة يسارا اثناء الجلوس مباشرة مني........... عذر له "أنا لم انظر حتى أنت هناك"

ولذلك ربما يكون أمام الناس يسارعون لأحكم وانتقاد حاجتي غير ناضجة للأنابيب بصوت عال ، ويجب أن تكف عن التفكير كم من الدراجات لديهم تقريبا خلال تشغيل لأنها didn't نراهم إلا في وقت متأخر جدا ، ومن ثم التوقف عن التفكير في كيفية العديد من الدراجات هم لا أعلم حتى ركضوا تقريبا خلال لأنها didn't نراهم في جميع........................

اتصل بي غير ناضجة ، مغرور ، وهو من العرض ، ما شئتم ، ولكن بوصفها وسيلة القتال ضد £ 700 £ 3000 + الآلاف من السيارات في كل مرة كنت ركوب ، وسوء استخدام أي وسيلة أستطيع البقاء على قيد الحياة!

الرقيب. اريك Theuser # 2086 يقول :

انتظر لحظة أنا لم تفعل. اتفاقية المعابر (الاميركي دراجات النارية الرابطة) تنص على أن أي شيء يساهم في مزيد من التمييز في المجتمع دراجة نارية من قبل الجمهور العام أنابيب بصوت عال ثم المفرطة. هذا هو كلامهم. كم من الناس مع أنابيب بصوت عال وقال لك لتغيير لأنك لا تحب التعرض للتمييز من قبل الجمهور العام؟ ربما لا شيء. ليس لديك أن ننظر إلى أبعد من ذلك فإن الولايات المتحدة لرؤية التمييز وقد تجلت إلى الحد الذي لا يسمح الدراجات النارية في الشارع والدولة وبعض الحدائق العامة الاتحادية مهما كانت صاخبة أو هادئة الدراجة الخاصة بك. وقد طعن هذا وخسر في المحاكم الفدرالية لأنها قضت بأن يمكنك التمييز ضد شخص فقط ، وليس السيارات. والعائد على السهم والدراجات النارية والدراجة الصناعة المستشار (MMIC) كلا لا نريد لهذا أن يحدث. وأعتقد أن هذا ليس من العدل أن الدراجين مهذب ، وإذا كنت لا أعتقد أن هذا يمكن أن يحدث في كندا تمزح بنفسك. هذه ليست مجرد اللائحة. هذا هو محرك وطنية لقيادة هذا في جميع أنحاء كندا. وسوف قانون المحافظات بحلول العام القادم. وإذا كان هذا لا يحصل على عقد من المشكلة أنني استطعت أن أرى كندا في أعقاب دعوى نفس أوروبا في التعامل مع emmisions ضجيج الدراجات النارية. التي تتبعونها المنزلية.

داريل كوك يقول :

روب :
Is it not quite a stretch to say that all drivers are that distracted
just because they drive a 4 wheeled item? Should I
think that bike drivers are doing the same? ( I don't)
Paying attention to the road and driving defensively is the
responsibility of all motorists.
No one has the “right” to irritate anyone.
And loud pipes emit more out the back end than the front.

A horn and a reflective vest and driving defensively is better
than one person harming and offending hundreds of citizens.

Darryl C

Bill Simpson says:

This bylaw irritates me to no end…but not for the commonly stated reasons.

I have 2 motorcycles. One of the bikes is 11 years old. It is in great shape but has had an aftermarket pipe for the greater part of those 11 years. It will fail the stage 3 test for sure. What exactly does the government expect me to do here. Pay ~$1000 for a new exhaust system and tuning for an 11 year old bike when I am sure it's total worth is less than $4000. Or do they expect me to park and not ride this bike, which serves as a vehicle to get me to work in the summer? Basically, this law is forcing those who are in this situation to shell out large sums of money for parts they may or may not be able to get anymore. Furthermore, in a scenario where I can install a different exhaust system there is no way for me to verify, prior to spending the money, that it will infact meet the requirements of this bylaw. I highly doubt there is a vendor out that that will install and test a system….then refund you if it doesn't meet the limits. So say, I do install and it still fails because I couldn't pre-test it…do I get another ticket, do I have to shell out another $1000? Are there facilities to have a new systems tested?

I am willing to invest some money to meet the questionable requirements/purpose of this by-law. However, I am reluctant to do so in fear that it will be a wasted effort. Why doesn't this law consider modifications that were made prior to the induction of this law? Laws by nature are supposed to be reasonable and logical. I hardly see how asking owners in this scenario to shell out oodles of cash with no guarantee is reasonable or logical nor is intimidating them into selling or permanently parking their vehicles.

My other motorcycle is a cruiser that I customized. I purchased the pipes for their look on the bike, there was no documentation available indicating their DB level for my bike! Installed, they failed the test that was held a couple of weeks back on Gateway Blvd. Again, the modifications were done long prior to the induction of this law. Was I supposed to request the DB level at idle and 2000 rpm from the vendor for my bike? I doubt they would have supplied that information, otherwise it would be posted on their site. This makes me question the real purpose for the law. Should the law also state, no after-market exhaust modifications?
As a rider who largely uses his bikes as commuter vehicles I can tell you that I am somewhat concerned that I might have to shell out more than $2000 … and could still garner a ticket for riding down Whitemud at 4 in the afternoon. Arguments such as “Loud pipes save lives” and “Discrimination” are subjective and can be argued on either side by “experts”. However, I do wonder how my scenarios could be argued in context of an “ex post facto” law. I supposed this is related to criminal laws, but I consider taking $2000 out of my pocket unfairly as a crime.

–In Canada, ex post facto criminal laws are constitutionally prohibited by section 11(g) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Also, under section 11(i) of the Charter, if the punishment for a crime has varied between the time the crime was committed and the time of a conviction, the convicted person is entitled to the lesser punishment.–

I wouldn't mind hearing the Sgt. give his input on my posting…providing he doesn't insult me by calling me a 16 year old girl.

Nathan says:

I have removed the exhaust from my vintage bike (mentioned earlier in this thread) to examine its integrity. The metal baffle is in excellent shape and the fiberglass packing is new and tightly packed. (I tried packing the fiberglass more loosely, but it made the bike louder.) This week I spend considerable time (6 – 8 hours) having a welder fasten baffles inside my exhaust pipe in order to try to quiet the sound. I truly and sincerely hope that some of the “holier than thou” types in this forum experience some busy-body interfering with your personal hobby in this way. هل يستحقون ذلك.

I spoke personally with a Sgt. in charge of all the traffic in Edmonton Police Service who told me that the measurements performed on my bike at the amnesty event (100, 102, 104) were almost certainly due to operator error. أي. police officer not conducting the test correctly. (This event was AFTER the police had been trained in the use of these meters!) Isn't that reassuring?

A family member who lives on a street where motorcycles speed by told me they are very annoying, but what really annoys him is the city buses. A city bus will sit at the curb and idle for 10 minutes, during which people INSIDE their houses have to turn up the TV to hear the sound. He has never had to turn up his TV because a motorbike went by.

It was amusing to me to see one poster in this discussion dismiss complaints about lawnmowers and buses as “lame.” That is a very poor response, friend, to a serious issue. I was working outside (in my trade) last week and lawn care workers were working in the yards on either side, as well as in the yard where I was. For 2 1/2 hours I had to turn off my iPod because I was unable to listen to it due to the lawnmowers and weed whackers. A motorbike riding by for 3 seconds and disappearing would have been a blessing compared to the unholy ruckus I was subjected to.

Apparently you're simply an angry citizen who hates motorbikes. If you were truly concerned about noise or hearing safety, ALL dangers would be a concern to you, especially chronic noise.

مجهول يقول :

Sgt Eric Theuser, I have a question for you. In your post here you say:

“Exhaust pipes are orientated backwards emmitting sound to the rear. See the problem. I know your response will be some anecdotal experience when you were in your lane and some old lady was about to switch lanes into you but accelerated in time, alerting her to your presence thereby avoiding the collision. I going to assume that you never went and interviewed her about the close call. You just made an assumption that she never saw you to begin with, that she in fact heard the loud sound of your bike emmiting sound to the rear,…”

But in an article online at CBC news found at http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/07/09/edmonton-noise-motorcycle-enforcement.html , you state:

“We can hear them before we even see them coming down to our location,” Acting Staff Sgt. Eric Theuser said.”

So which is it? Can you hear them coming or does the sound only emit towards the back which would mean you can't hear them coming until they are right there or more specifically past your position? You can see how both statements are completely opposite from each other. Sorry, but it had to be pointed out.

Darryl,

I find it intersting that you feel so strongly yet you fail to answer the questions I posed to you? I appreciate your passion for your argument but I answered your questions, fair is fair.

Secondly, there are plenty of things that people do that are personal hobbies that create unecessary noise or I find offensive on other levels that invade my personal space. But given that most of them are “seasonal” I can just let it go. Some people are just bigger than others. I supposed you don't mind the noise created when we are raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for the many charities we all support? You know, things like prostate cancer, kids with cancer, toy runs, CF rides, the stollery, Little Warriors (victims of child sexual abuse), Youth Emergency Shelter, the school lunch program, etc.

الرقيب. Eric Theuser says:

Hi Liane,

Sorry about the late response. While one stands outside on the side of the road (Whyte Ave / Jasper Ave) and listens to traffic, you are able to hear a loud M/C (or car for that matter) approaching, is primarily due to the way the sound wave resonating off buildings and other solid objects. It gets emmited to the rear and bounced forward. Listen for that same vehicle on for example the Anthony Henday it can be a lot more challenging and you might not notice it until it's passes. Same sound source but less surronding objects. This a vastly different scenerio then when is operating one's own vehicle. It is increasing difficult to be able to hear and isolate a sound source. A car driver also has a lot more ambient noise to contend with such as the vehicle's engine, closed windows, fans and radios. Remember that a large segment of driver's are deaf or have deminished hearing and are unable to hear low frequency sounds.

الرقيب. Eric Theuser says:

Sorry that's a proposed State law.

Liane Langlois says:

مرحبا اريك ،

I can buy that reasoning but then it makes me wonder how reliable the test is when sound is reverberated off of surrounding buildings, as you have clearly stated. By that same reasoning, one could very clearly see that the test would give a false reading. Would you not have to be in an open space to get an accurate reading? How else would my friends pass one day and fail the next with one even getting a reading of 96 without his bike even being turned on?

How can you be certain that it is the bike over the car/truck? I have been around bikes for a very long time and even to this day I have been fooled by a truck I swore was a cruiser or a car that I thought was a sport bike. We are easily identifiable by look so you are just going to assume it is me making the noise?

Liane Langlois says:

Hi Darryl,

Could you please tell me where I stated that loud pipes saves lives? Read back on all my posts and quote me. I am NOT a believer in that theory whatsoever otherwise why would I have one of the quietest bikes out there? So please stop assuming that is how I think and that is why I am doing this.

Also, please tell me where I am saying that commercial vehicles or lawn mowers need to be included? Again, NEVER have I said such a thing anywhere. I believe that passenger trucks and cars with after market exhaust need to be treated in the same fashion. And yes, I am sorry to say that there are a lot of cars and trucks that have much louder after market exhaust than some of the bikes out there.

I love how you have seemed to lump everyone on a motorcycle into one category. Considering the amount of non-rider support we have received, I know better than to assume everyone who doesn't ride shares your opinion and can see past the surface to what the issue really is. It shows that not everyone is ignorant to what happens at City Hall. People want to see this as an all-encompassing law and are fighting along side our group to ensure that happens.

This bylaw infringes on section 15 of the charter of rights. It is also the exact defition of discrimination as defined above contrary to your belief of the defition of discrimination being to choose or decide. I DO NOT have an issue with the bylaw and the levels set. I have an issue where one group is held to one standard while others are not. Why else would the police report to the police commission clearly state that passenger cars, trucks AND motorcycles with after market exhaust are equally responsible for noise complaints. So why are they only targeting one group? I have done the research, found the supporting documentation and put my case together based on facts.

I guess you also have an issue with all the hundreds of thousands of dollars, awareness and education we bring to light in our countless charity rides. Good thing we don't discriminate against those who unfortunately require that funding we contribute. We do it for our community…that means EVERYONE in our community including people like you.

Do you understand that now or do I have to make it even more clear?

الرقيب. Eric Theuser says:

Hi Geoff and Liane,

Liane to start the bylaw does not infringe upon Sec 15 of the Charter, end of story. If you want to argue Sec 15 you're going to have to change the Supreme Court of Canada's many case law decisions. This is the last time I talk about police's ability to pull over vehicles.

Here is the reason why motorcycles are being tested and other vehicles currently are not. Please pay very close attention. Canadian Council of Motor Transport Administrators (CCMTA) coordinates all matters that deal with the administration, regulation and control of motor vehicle transportation and highway safety in Canada. Inside the CCMTA is the Standing Committee on Driver's and Vehicles (D&V) which is responsible for all matters relating to motor vehicle registration and control, light vehicle standards and inspections, and driver licensing and control. They were the first group looking into creating a working group to seeking national standards on noise emissions. For different reasons the project was never completed. When that occurred the Motorcycle and Moped Industry Counsel (MMIC) stepped in working with their US counterparts (MIC) looking into a simplified test procedure. Their motivation was to improve the image of motorcycling, provide police with a standardized approach to measuring exhaust noise and mirror the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) pass-by standards. They looked at SAE J1287 (Measurement of Exhaust Sound Levels of Stationary off-road Motorcycles) to simplify it and apply it to on road motorcycles. SAE Motorcycle Committee formed Motorcycle Sound sub-committee to review SAE J1287. MIC PAID SAE about $500,000 to do this!!!!! From 2006-2007 the motorcycle industry conducted field tests with motorcycles (approx. 2000) equipped with various engine types and Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and after market exhaust systems. Following the tests which included official EPA pass-by test, J1287, alternate J1287, Idle at 20 inches, J1287 + idle at alt. distances, J1287 + idle with alternative microphone orientation, stationary 20'' test @ 2000 rpm and throttle blip test, a new standard was drafted, SAE J2825. It was finalized in Jan 2009.

Between Aug and Sep 2009 CCMTA conducted there own tests using the J2825 procedure.
Two conditions of the tests before it would be recognized and approved by the CCMTA were:
a.) it must fail motorcycles which would fail the EPA pass by test
b.) no false failures of those that meet the EPA standards

Alberta conducted their own testing from Aug 18 – Aug 19 2009.

J2825 is science based and motorcycle specific and can not be applied to other vehicles. I am not an acoustical or mechaical engineer so if you want a technical answer contact your local engineering consultant or SAE. The police are looking at J1492, 2008 “Measurement of Light Vehicle Stationary Exhaust System Sound Level Engine Speed Sweep Method” but there are many, many concerns right from the get-go. I'm not privy to go into detail about them but I can tell you that first and foremost is that no one offers training in that standard including SAE. And proper training is really, really important.

I hope this answers everyone's questons.

انجي يقول :

This is for Darryl Cooke
What about the ones that like to ride alone. You said consider all angles, what about mine. I live in a quiet neighborhood and when I want to go for a ride, I glide my bike out until I'm on the main street. Don't you think you ruined it for us lone riders too. Consider THAT.

Barry Bayrak says:

As I sit in my house listening to kids go by with the stereo's that make my windows rattle , I wonder what are the tax dollars really for when “We the people” have no say in anything. I mean come on now I can hear these cars , trucks coming for about 3 blocks before they drive by. Am I supposed to close my windows all because they love loud music and can make it loud enough for me to hear as well?
Then again I shouldn't talk huh , I ride a Harley and I am the real bad guy here and we all know it. I mean my 10seconds or so of riding past a business that is closed on a Sun is such a distrubance that I should be pulled over and fined , when honestly no one has really put a noise complaint it on me.
The law however (which I am NOT against a noise by-law) The law however just gives “someone” , and by that I mean police the right to just set up anywhere and stop any bike rider even if they did nothing wrong and cite them for noise. So in basics they have a complaint ALWAYS in , AND for ALL OTHER noise complaints in Edmonton , IE: Lawn mowers , trucks , cars , road equipment , we still have the same OLD LAW WE HAVE HAD FOR YEARS , but as we have even seen on here , this is NOT a prejudice law by any means. It is NOT signaling out ONE CERTAIN CROUP of TYPE of PEOPLE ,
“Guarantee of Rights and Freedoms
1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights
and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by
law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.”
^^^^ This does NOT even come close to applying here.
“Fundamental Freedoms
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom
of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.”
These “freedoms” only apply if you don't ride a Motor Bike thou. SO your “Association” with bikes and bike riders does NOT apply here. Being a member of an “Association” IE: HOGS or anything of the sort are part of what our “rights and freedoms” mean here.
BUT I am sure someone will say that we are twisting these “rights and freedoms” to suit our needs OR thats not what they are meant for , OR just anything they need to , so it makes this “Prejudicial” by-law effective and they get all the cash they can grad with it in place.

dan buck says:

By the way, I passed the test during the amnesty testing. That test was done properly: at idle 1050rpm 91dp, at 2000rpm 96db.

ليان انجلوا وتقول :

Just an update that the petition was submitted last week and I have received confirmation from the City Clerk advising it has been sent to all on City Council. Our journey of the first part of this fight is now complete. I am not sure what will come of this as Council doesn't return from summer break until near the end of August. I hope that someone hears us. Mr. Thiele is well aware that the petition has been submitted. I was in conversation with his assistant last week and advised the day it went in that it was there. I feel that being out there, we spread awareness and education on what our City Council can do without input from their constituants. There is a blatant disregard for equality demonstrated here. I encourage our entire community to get out and vote in the upcoming election. Time to clean house, start fresh and hope that the next group sitting on Council has some common sense on all issues including this one.

Going forward, I encourage anyone who gets a ticket to do what they feel is best for them. Personally, I would fight it, but that is me. There are a few avenues to take but the circumstance on how your ticket was issued will dictate the route you take. Do your research and educate yourselves. Things such as provincial and federal laws supercede City bylaws. Whether you take an angle of discrimination, infringement on our Charter of Rights (15.1) or question the validity of the test itself due to surrounding noise that can affect the readings, make your fight clear, to the point and most importantly valid. Using “loud pipes saves lives” is never going to be successful as a means of defense against a ticket. Find a valid way to do it. Post up ideas if you have them so people have a reference point. The more we educate ourselves, the better.

Dan – I would be really interested to hear how your fight turns out. If you are on FaceBook, please join my group “Edmonton Motorcycle Club” as we are hoping to gather information and knowledge from everyone on their individual fights in court. Sounds like you could definitely win your case.

Doug – I agree that a fund would be helpful. Do we need the HOG group or any other group to do that or can we set one up ourselves? I would encourage you to join my FaceBook group as well and update on the cases that your friends are fighting in court. On a side note, I find it sad that you will not be participating in any charity events. This is one of my biggest fears. We contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to countless charities, some of which are dependent on our money as they are severely underfunded on every level; city, provincial and federal. What will happen to these much needed charities like the Youth Emergency Shelter, the school lunch program and the annual Toy Run if there is no support?